RichardOlcese
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My startegy is as follows: ally Scotland, get military access from them, send a super monster stack to Scotland, and wait. When the Maine war erupts, and England attacks me (generally without the help of Portugal/other allies, since it's an offensive war), I can easily overrun their possessions in the mainland with my allies/vassals, while my troops in Scotland can take the British isles. I take absolutely no territory. I take money, humiliate, etc. In that way, I fulfill an age objective and get more early splendor, I weaken England for the next war, I take some sweet money for improving centers of trade/building buildings, etc. After the truce, then yes, I declare war with a reconquest CB.
That's what I do. It might be wrong, it might be right. But it's what I do. What do you do? What's your France opening startegy? Does it involve an immediate declaration of war against England?
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The concept is good, but I think it might be even better to take a single province in Britain from the first war. That way, you can essentially dump Scotland as a springboard and use that province as a toehold instead - one from which you won't be slowed down by England's northern fort. Not having Scotland taking up one of your precious diplo slots is another advantage of doing it this way.
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I think it's better to just start with the reconquest war. If the Maine event fires before I'm ready for that, though, then I humiliate them and take Pale. You don't need to occupy Pale or any of England's holdings on their side of the Channel to get it, so I tend to just keep my army in France, take England's forts, and fight them as they land.
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One of the thing I do, is cancelling Provence alliance day 1. They are often excommunicated and then attacked by either Burgundy or Savoy etc... And they drag you in a defensive war (you can refuse of course). Given the fact you have a core and claims on their land, no need to keep them.
I also usually vassalize an Ireland minor and feed them all Ireland. You can do that in less than 15 years easily.
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Another fun trick is to not ally or guarantee Scotland. Let England wreck them. If you have land in Ireland, you will be close enough to diplo-vassalize what is left of them and then use the reconquest CB to get all of their cores back from England.
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Honestly, play Burgundy instead.
France sucks.
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Dump provence and Scotland, declare reconquest asap, punch Portugal for a bunch of dosh and take Ceuta for your colonial range, take your cores and pale, fabricate in Ireland Scotland, release meath and feed them so you can click the mission for claims in England. Oh and you can restart until burgundy is friendly and be their buddy.
RichardOlcese
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jdavis86 said:
Dump provence and Scotland, declare reconquest asap, punch Portugal for a bunch of dosh and take Ceuta for your colonial range, take your cores and pale, fabricate in Ireland Scotland, release meath and feed them so you can click the mission for claims in England. Oh and you can restart until burgundy is friendly and be their buddy.
Burgundy? Friendly? I don't want nor need such friends. Burgundy shall be destroyed!!!
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I prefer a start that is a hybrid of your approach and the (probably more common) complete reconquest approach. As France I immediately drop the Scotland guarantee and Provence alliance, ally (ideally) Burgundy and Castile, and then declare a Reconquest war for the Normandy area. In the first war I take all of the Normandy area and Maine, but leave Gascony and Calais for a follow up war; instead I Humiliate England in the first war to get Splendor. Taking Caux early sets up that province to get the Diamond District bonus fairly early if you develop the land just a bit.
I don’t conquer any land in England itself because France is already super-powered, and absorbing England makes that dynamic even more absurd. EU4 gets boring without any rivals and I think France conquering all of England would result in total boredom afterwards and an early re-start to find some actual challenge.
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- Improve relations with Pope - they have a tendency to excommunicate you sometimes.
- Ally with Burgundy if they haven't rivalled you and rival Austria - this improves your chances for Burgundian Inheritance.
- Ally Castille/Aragon and declare reconquest war against England. Castille may join you if you promise land (but dont give em any)
- Reconquer all your cores in one swoop, taking parts of Portugal too for war %.
- At this point I pretty much ignore England since they will be weakened for while with their events.
- Now, slowly integrate vassals and clean up Provence and Brittany.
- Can diplo-vassalize a random Irish minor and snake your way to Scotland with vassal claims. Your navy should be enough to deal with Scotty at least.
- Deal with Burgundy if their succession didn't fire your way and they remain independent (if you can).
- Focus on Milan PU if the event fires.
- Once mainland dominance and objectives are secure, you can work on England by prelanding troops on your Scottish provinces to conquer them.
- Next, invade Iberia, hopefully allying with Aragon/Castille against the other one, before Iberian wedding fires.
- [Do whatever until imperialism].
- Dismantle HRE+Conquer the Germans/Try to be HRE Emperor.
Honestly, by the time you completed #4, the rest of the game is smooth sailing. Sure, you won't be able to exert absolute dominance until around after #8 or so, but nothing is really there to threaten your existence. Usually I ignore colonization and just conquer the colonies mid-late game if I really wanted colonies.
For a colonization heavy game, I wouldn't play France.
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fleetothemoon said:
Deal with Burgundy if their succession didn't fire your way and they remain independent (if you can).
And then Burgundy demands Imperial Entrance and you are screwed.
Travis_Bickle
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fleetothemoon said:
Next, invade Iberia, hopefully allying with Aragon/Castille against the other one, before Iberian wedding fires.
Why would you do this when you can get a PU CB on Castile/Spain via missions?
It's an easy enough war given they'll have half of their men in Mexico most of the time.
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Travis_Bickle said:
Why would you do this when you can get a PU CB on Castile/Spain via missions?
It's an easy enough war given they'll have half of their men in Mexico most of the time.
It's not a bad idea if you don't get the inheritance. Control of the Sevilla and Valencia nodes will make the Genoa node a lot more valuable. Regardless, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you have already conquered England. It makes more sense to move your trade capital to London and go after Scandinavia, imo.
TeutonicTortoise
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If you take out Brittany within the first 20 years you can usually have a low enough distance penalty to be able to diplo vassalise a Irish minor from where you blob through Ireland take maybe 1 province on Britain from Scotland and boom dont need a navy or have to bother with Scotland as a diplospot. Outside of that if you can eclipse Bugundy as a rival quickly and ally them while they rival Austria thats basically a free inheritance.
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